Diskusjon:François Asselineau

Cross wiki spamming

Hello,

I apologize to have to write in English here.

The corresponding French article is currently being discussed for deletion, after having been deleted by a very strong majority two years ago.

The key points of this discussion are :

• there exist now some secondary sources, and some of them focus on him, such as the article in Marianne (typically), and now On n'est pas couché on France 2 (10 days ago), with these comments;
• however, independant sources of good standing are still rare. So, because François Asselineau has a cyber activist team (about 100 people, headed by Marvin Leroy), spamming and non neutral additions keep coming in large numbers, and even on the French Wikipédia, we fear not to be able to contain it to maintain a balanced article.
  The cross wiki spamming - with over 90 stubs created by François Asselineau's Internet activists (a lot of which have now been deleted) - is proof of this Internet activism; hence the fear that neutral, balanced articles will be extremely difficult to maintain; even the English article is strongly biased, with favorable facts blown out of all proportion, and negative points "forgotten".

So, the current discussion on the French "deletion page" (AfD) centers on this : are the existing sources strong enough to resist spamming and non neutral additions?

For the time being, a majority believe the notability of François Asselineau is not enough to take the risk.

Best regards. --Azurfrog (diskusjon) 4. oktober 2014 kl. 10:28 (CEST)

The few lines which we currently have on this politician are entirely neutral. I believe we will be able to keep it that way. If constant changing occurs, I guess we could protect it. I don't think conflicts on another wiki are a good reason to delete it here. --Ranveig (diskusjon) 4. oktober 2014 kl. 11:43 (CEST)

@ Ranveig: Are you sure these few lines are "entirely neutral"? I do not know the meaning of " Før han starta dette partiet i 2007 var Asselineau medlem i Rassemblement pour la France (RPF)", but you have to know that François Asselineau has nothing to do with fr:Rassemblement pour la France. Be also aware that in another similar stub (now deleted) created by François Asselineau's Internet team, he was mentioned as having founded the fr:Union pour un Mouvement Populaire, created in fact by Jacques Chirac!
It is not because an article looks neutral that it is neutral ;-)...
Best regards. --Azurfrog (diskusjon) 4. oktober 2014 kl. 22:39 (CEST)

It means he has previously been a member of RPF. The following sources seem to support this: inforeunion.net, lecontinu.fr, parlonsinfo.fr, ipolitique.fr and france-politique.fr. UMP is not mentioned here. --Ranveig (diskusjon) 5. oktober 2014 kl. 08:01 (CEST)

OK then: he has indeed previously been a member of RPF (not founded it)... which in itself does not proves he is notable ;-). --Azurfrog (diskusjon) 6. oktober 2014 kl. 11:49 (CEST)

Cross wiki spamming

For information - Regards --Lomita (diskusjon) 14. oktober 2014 kl. 21:33 (CEST)

For information only

en.wikipedia decided to keep this article! --Howan Hansi (diskusjon) 17. oktober 2014 kl. 08:51 (CEST)

Sure. Problem is: the article here is totally biased and does not reflect what the English one says, if only because it doesn't say a word about the Internet activism of Asselineau, which is where his slight notability comes from. --Azurfrog (diskusjon) 10. februar 2015 kl. 19:00 (CET)